Worth upgrading or Buy new computer?

[ZED]

There is nothing untrustworthy about guru3d, lol. Their testing methodology is clearly explained for every test.
Reputable website testing doesn't make it fact either of course, but it's a whole lot closer than just saying "in my experience".
In my experience I've found it's usually people who have never used high end air coolers who think that water is always the best option.

The link you posted includes one air cooler that performs similar to the $30 hyper evo, as a point of reference. We don't need charts to know that entry level air coolers perform worse than 200mm+ water coolers, zed.

It's not an entry level air cooler. It's a very high end air cooler that costs $50. Also, didn't I tell you that I build PCs for a living too? That means I use all kinds of hardware parts and before I hand them over I test the system? You may post as many links as you want but it won't change my personal experience.

[A_goat]

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with anything. I just pointed out that AIO coolers can be a lot more consistent and efficient in Overclocking and especially if you have a hot environment. I simply stated facts that are truly based on my personal 20 year experience in building PCs. And I never said you should be always limited to AIO coolers. Sure you can go with something cheaper if you are on a tight budget. But just know that if you want better results then there are better options out there, of course for more money tho.

Also, AOD_DukeCLR said pretty much the same thing based on his personal experience.

You're not disagreeing with anything? You quoted me right after my first post and claimed that air is insufficient for a heavy duty OC.
That's 100% utterly false.

[ZED]

You're not disagreeing with anything? You quoted me right after my first post and claimed that air is insufficient for a heavy duty OC.
That's 100% utterly false.

Are you even reading my comments?

[A_goat]

It's not an entry level air cooler. It's a very high end air cooler that costs $50. Also, didn't I tell you that I build PCs for a living too? That means I use all kinds of hardware parts and before I hand them over I test the system? You may post as many links as you want but it won't change my personal experience.

It costs more than $50 because it looks nice. It performs comparably to the $30 evo.
I also build computers, but my experience matches the countless internet sources I've used for years.

[A_goat]

The risk of AIO cooler leaking is like 0.00000000001% It will leak only if you damage it while installing it but do damage it you probably need to smash it with a hammer or something.
AIO cooler is a lot more consistent in hot environment and is still more consistent on decent overclocking. Sure, air cooler is fine for mild OC but not for heavy duty OC and especially if you have no AC at home and you have a hot summer. I've had plenty of air coolers in the past and I rather spend extra $20 and get an entry level AIO than get an air cooler.

The highlighted section is why i'm even still commenting. Air is more than capable of reaching a motherboards thermal limit before it can't cool the CPU enough.

[ZED]

The highlighted section is why i'm even still commenting. Air is more than capable of reaching a motherboards thermal limit before it can't cool the CPU enough.

Maybe you should read the entire sentence?

[Monics]

For sure upgrade... Don't buy pre-mades.. typically (about 90%) of the time it will cost more.. sometimes a lot more than if simply bought the parts separately and put it together yourself. OC'ing is risky. Decreases the life expectancy of which ever component you push past its limits. OC at your own risk.. I'd suggest simply saving a bit, buying new components as you go.. making sure of course your power supply can constantly support whatever you're using. Do a bit of research. You'll figure out the details.

[ZED]

Decreases the life expectancy of which ever component you push past its limits.

I'm not sure where this info is coming from and people get this assumption about Overclocking but even LinusTechTips and JayzTwoCents did a perfect test to prove that Overclocking does not decrease life expectancy.

[A_goat]

Maybe you should read the entire sentence?

I re-read it, and it's still a common misconception by people who have not witnessed high-end air coolers.
And to re-iterate, the dark rock 3 is NOT a "very high end air cooler", I think this might be why you're confused.
The dark rock 3 is a single tower cooler. There are air coolers that exist that have multiple towers of fins. Like this;


These are the aircoolers that compete with 200m+ AIO's.

[ZED]

I re-read it, and it's still a common misconception by people who have not witnessed high-end air coolers.
And to re-iterate, the dark rock 3 is NOT a "very high end air cooler", I think this might be why you're confused.
The dark rock 3 is a single tower cooler. There are air coolers that exist that have multiple towers of fins. Like this;


These are the aircoolers that compete with 200m+ AIO's.

Noctuah NH D15 is $90 - $100 cooler and is bulky as hell and might not fit on some boards with high profile RAM. Thanks, but at that price point I rather pick AIO.

[A_goat]

Noctuah NH D15 is $90 - $100 cooler and is bulky as hell and might not fit on some boards with high profile RAM. Thanks, but at that price point I rather pick AIO.

Again, as with almost all component types, there are advantages and disadvantages. But what I'm proving here is that air is most certainly capable of heavy duty OCs. You haven't offered any credible input of why you think air can't, other than not knowing about dual tower coolers which we already solved.

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[AOD_Hainzy58]

Okay guys this has become an argument more then helping a guy asking a question. Let's move on and talk about your lovely debate about AIO and air cooling in another place then our forums.


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[ZED]

You haven't offered any credible input of why you think air can't, other than not knowing about dual tower coolers which we already solved.

I'm not thinking. I know. And I gave you a credible answer in my very first quote on your comment.

As for this:

not knowing about dual tower coolers which we already solved.

Now you are making things up. I never said I didn't know about that cooler. The whole discussion was about low end $20 air coolers. Not $100 air coolers vs AIO. Even though, I gave a credible answer on when specifically AIO is better than air cooler. Need I quote myself for that or you can just simply read my first comment entirely that I wrote to you?

[ZED]

Okay guys this has become an argument more then helping a guy asking a question. Let's move on and talk about your lovely debate about AIO and air cooling in another place then our forums.


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Good idea!

[A_goat]

I'm not thinking. I know. And I gave you a credible answer in my very first quote on your comment.

As for this:


Now you are making things up. I never said I didn't know about that cooler. The whole discussion was about low end $20 air coolers. Not $100 air coolers vs AIO. Even though, I gave a credible answer on when specifically AIO is better than air cooler. Need I quote myself for that or you can just simply read my first comment entirely that I wrote to you?

You said that the single tower rock 3 cooler was a "very high end air cooler" which gave me grounds to believe you didn't know about actual high end air coolers.

This discussion has been about you claiming air shouldn't even be considered , which is silly. Specifically the part about air in general not being able to support a heavy duty OC, which is blatantly false. Not sure why you think it's solely about low end air coolers, dunno where that came from.

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[AOD_RedGuard]

Gentlemen. As Hainzy said this thread is turning into a lively debate and moving away from the constructive advice that FreshHundo was seeking. Let's agree to disagree and keep the debating out of our forums please.

[Cyrihs]

When it comes to SSD's, since you have an M.2 port on your motherboard you should highly consider an NVMe M.2 drive. They are significantly faster than PCI Express. I would also not go under 500 GB.
I would go with the Intel 600p 512GB. But if you really want Samsung (can afford it) get the Samsung 960 EVO 500 GB.
The slowest NVMe drive is as fast or faster than the fastest PCI Express drive.

[Cyrihs]

When it comes to SSD's, since you have an M.2 port on your motherboard you should highly consider an NVMe M.2 drive. They are significantly faster than PCI Express. I would also not go under 500 GB.
I would go with the Intel 600p 512GB. But if you really want Samsung (can afford it) get the Samsung 960 EVO 500 GB.
The slowest NVMe drive is as fast or faster than the fastest PCI Express drive.

Edit: NVMe is faster than SATA, not PCI Express. NVMe is PCI Express.

[AOD_WoopdyDoo]

NVMe is a software driver level thing. M.2 is a form factor and physical interface that can use PCI Express, SATA, or both (only the former on my rig, which is something I should have research better). NVMe I do think is built around PCI Express.

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[Cyrihs]

NVMe is a software driver level thing. M.2 is a form factor and physical interface that can use PCI Express, SATA, or both (only the former on my rig, which is something I should have research better). NVMe I do think is built around PCI Express.

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I specified NVMe because you can get SATA M.2 That's equally as fast as a 2.5" SATA drive but not nearly as fast as NVMe. I originally (mistakenly) thought all M.2 used PCI Express, but you have to get NVMe for that. Makes a WORLD of difference. Unfortunately, you can't filter for NVMe vs SATA on pcpartpicker.com, you have to know which is which ahead of time.